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 Post subject: Flaming June
PostPosted: 12 Jun 2011, 16:32 
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Well what's happened to it...what are the weathermen blaming it on?


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
PostPosted: 12 Jun 2011, 16:51 
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Global warming ...

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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
PostPosted: 12 Jun 2011, 17:29 
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We certainly need the rain during the growing season otherwise the cost of food would double most
of the country is in drought conditions with farmers forbidden to extract water from rivers and streams.

Lets hope it rains all week !


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
PostPosted: 12 Jun 2011, 18:30 
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Can we delay the rain for a week? I was going to walk to work this week...


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
PostPosted: 12 Jun 2011, 18:53 
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Weather wrecked the Tennis in Brum now ruining the Grand Prix in Canada. 'And its raining all over the world...'


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
PostPosted: 07 Jun 2012, 10:44 
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Its happening again...shit weather in June, and its my birthday today, I have 4 premier type Test tickets for me and my boys...and it looks as if we will get little play!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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Its happening again...shit weather in June, and its my birthday today, I have 4 premier type Test tickets for me and my boys...and it looks as if we will get little play!!!

Happy birthday. Shame about the cricket but you might get a couple of hours in depending on the square.


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
PostPosted: 07 Jun 2012, 12:06 
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Well its not just us. I've been watching the tennis in France on telly and there's been a few rain stops play moments there. I'm off to Barcelona for a few days next week so fingers crossed the rain won't follow me there!


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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Happy Birthday Beetheart, this might make you smile , my son went camping last friday, to get away from the Jubilee!!!!!, poor thing cause the weather wasn't ideal for camping, --Mom to the rescue, paid for him and his girlfriend to stay at an Inn from tuesday till tomorrow.
Can I ask why can't cricket and tennis "pitches"? be covered, something like a huge gazebo, to prevent rain from stopping play? surely a designer could engineer this.
Barnardhobbit yes we need rain but we could in the month of June have one day rain , next day sun. at the minute you have your wish , it will rain all week

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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
PostPosted: 07 Jun 2012, 22:01 
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The weather feels more like that of the first week of November than the first week of June. Is it because there is a Test Match at Edgbaston this weekend and the Aegon Classic tennis next week?

Looks like tomorrow is going to be damp and miserable, Saturday will be a brief respite though it will be windy and Sunday it will tip it down.

Maybe London should have bid for the Winter Olympics for 2012.... :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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sally 123 wrote:
Happy Birthday Beetheart snip ....
Barnardhobbit yes we need rain but we could in the month of June have one day rain , next day sun. at the minute you have your wish , it will rain all week
Yes Happy Birthday Beetheart

Sally my Comment was made last year in 2011 - Yes it wound be great if it only Rained at Night but as they say say in Africa "God has Blessed Us" - if it rains at least once a year


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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Oops sorry Barnardhobbit , I didn't notice the date , cause you could have said the same thing today. I was distracted, my Niece gave birth to a baby girl today , both doing well, same birthday as Beefheart :D

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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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Kevin wrote:

Looks like tomorrow is going to be damp and miserable, Saturday will be a brief respite though it will be windy and Sunday it will tip it down.



That sounds like last week's forecast

And it's only twelve days to midsummer day and the summer solstice (at 11.09 pm on the 20th).


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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going to Tenerife soon and predicted to be 21 and raining when there WTF !!!

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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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You will have a good time Ianrobo.
Denise I thought the longest day/midsummers day/summer solstice was 21st June. depressing thought the days start getting shorter from 22nd June, then winter solstice -21st December shortest day, the days start getting longer again.
I was married 30 years ago 21st June and it is a standing joke that it is/was the longest day!!! Also I may tell you it was freezing that day too.

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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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Denise wrote:
And it's only twelve days to midsummer day and the summer solstice (at 11.09 pm on the 20th).
sally 123 wrote:
Denise I thought the longest day/midsummers day/summer solstice was 21st June.
Sally - So what time is your summer solstice other than being a day behind ?

Question : When was the last year that Christmas Day and New Years Day occurred in the same Year ?


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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I dont know Barnardhobbit , in answer to both of your queries, I may just research later today, when I have had some sleep!!

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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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sally 123 wrote:
You will have a good time Ianrobo.
Denise I thought the longest day/midsummers day/summer solstice was 21st June. depressing thought the days start getting shorter from 22nd June, then winter solstice -21st December shortest day, the days start getting longer again.
I was married 30 years ago 21st June and it is a standing joke that it is/was the longest day!!! Also I may tell you it was freezing that day too.


The solstice is 51 minutes before midnight on the 20th, which is when summer begins, and the astronomers tell us that the solstice always falls on the longest day - though I think, given the time of the solstice, the 21st will only be a few seconds shorter than the 20th.

How did we get here so quickly?

Did you know that for 12 weeks either side of midsummer day Icelandic lighthouses are switched off, it being so light for that three months there is no need of them?


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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barnardhobbit wrote:

Question : When was the last year that Christmas Day and New Years Day occurred in the same Year ?


Now you're teasing Sally with that old chestnut, BH, but I'm sure the penny will drop quickly.

When Christmas was Yule they were one and the same BH.

Just out of interest, what celebrations happened on Midsummer Day in heathen times is something that perplexes historians. Many agree that what ever happened was either too bloody or sexual for the early church fathers to stomach, since they managed to expunge it completely, and never even attempted to replace it (as with Yule and Easter) with some festival designed to ease its loss. Folklore survivals pertaining to Midsummer Day from across England and lowland Scotland - if they can be trusted - suggest it was a sexy, boozy time.


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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Denise wrote:
barnardhobbit wrote:

Question : When was the last year that Christmas Day and New Years Day occurred in the same Year ?


Now you're teasing Sally with that old chestnut, BH, but I'm sure the penny will drop quickly.

When Christmas was Yule they were one and the same BH.

Just out of interest, what celebrations happened on Midsummer Day in heathen times is something that perplexes historians. Many agree that what ever happened was either too bloody or sexual for the early church fathers to stomach, since they managed to expunge it completely, and never even attempted to replace it (as with Yule and Easter) with some festival designed to ease its loss. Folklore survivals pertaining to Midsummer Day from across England and lowland Scotland - if they can be trusted - suggest it was a sexy, boozy time.

Not quite true. June 24th., old Midsummer Day, is a major church feast, that of St. John the Baptist. St. John's Eve, like All Hallowe'en, was a day when witches and ghoulies were said to careen round until dawn. Also it's close to Petertide, June 29th. traditionally (for obvious reasons) the time when priests are ordained.

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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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It only takes a bit of sunshine and it feels like June again. I was walking up the Worcestershire Beacon yesterday and the world looked a lovely place to be in.


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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David Williams wrote:
It only takes a bit of sunshine and it feels like June again. I was walking up the Worcestershire Beacon yesterday and the world looked a lovely place to be in.


And now its gone shite again, this seems like the norm now! Have you noticed when it rains nowadays it does not bloody stop, for hours even days on end, causing floods everywhere, every year it seems, surely we are experiencing climate change now!!!


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causing floods everywhere

luckily I'm living on a hill just now, so not quite everywhere!


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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putting my weather geek hat on and we have the jet stream much lower than normal over SE England rather than NW Scotland. thus the low pressure areas are being sent across England and also northern Europe.

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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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causing floods everywhere

luckily I'm living on a hill just now, so not quite everywhere!


Quite we are lucky on higher ground, but anyone near a river, will there be anyone living near a river in future?


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more Beefy, part of the reason the floods seem to hit more is more and more building on floodplains.

lets face here in the West Mids apart from the odd freak flood of the Tame or Rea we are all safe enough !

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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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Beefheart wrote:
surely we are experiencing climate change now!!!

We're constantly experiencing climate change Beefy - it never stops (if you actually understand what climate change means - any change in a weather pattern measured over a period of time whether local, regional or global due to any forcing whether internal, external or anthropogenic).

However since there hasn't been any statistically significant warning since 1995 despite the rise in carbon concentrations in the atmosphere - how exactly are you linking increased emissions with precipitation? Witchcraft perhaps?


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LiKW wrote:
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surely we are experiencing climate change now!!!

We're constantly experiencing climate change Beefy - it never stops (if you actually understand what climate change means - any change in a weather pattern measured over a period of time whether local, regional or global due to any forcing whether internal, external or anthropogenic).

However since there hasn't been any statistically significant warning since 1995 despite the rise in carbon concentrations in the atmosphere - how exactly are you linking increased emissions with precipitation? Witchcraft perhaps?


I wondered when you were going to turn up! Your in constant denial as to what is obvious 'man made' change to many of us, ok what is exactly causing that change is still being debated but CO2 is considered by many experts as a contributer, for all your banging on its not.

Lets ask a simple question re.The rain: do you not agree its getting more intense and for longer periods....and it does seem this is not the only extreme weather pattern around the globe e.g. more drought, record temperatures, stronger hurricanes, if so why is this happening?


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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Beefheart wrote:
I wondered when you were going to turn up! Your in constant denial as to what is obvious 'man made' change to many of us, ok what is exactly causing that change is still being debated but CO2 is considered by many experts as a contributer, for all your banging on its not.

In denial? Good grief - you really don't bother to read what I say do you Colin? There is no empirical evidence to link changes in temperature to weather events - what you are arguing is mediaeval in its logic. There has been no statistically significant warming since 1995. Any change in precipitation patterns cannot be linked to to a causal effect of increased C02 emissions as they haven't produced any warming for getting onto two decades. So unless you can describe a mechanism where the presence of C02 in the atmosphere causes changes in precipitation behaviour, you're just indulging in behaviour parodied by these good folk...



Beefheart wrote:
Lets ask a simple question re.The rain: do you not agree its getting more intense and for longer periods....and it does seem this is not the only extreme weather pattern around the globe e.g. more drought, record temperatures, stronger hurricanes, if so why is this happening?

Lets deal with the rubbish first shall we?

More drought? No evidence of this.
Record temperatures? No significant warming since 1995
Stronger hurricanes? Look at the ACE index (accumulated cyclonic energy) and you'll see a fall in cyclonic energy in the 21st century.

Hell, even the sea levels have stopped rising since President Obama came into power.

We have seen an increase in precipitation intensity in Europe recently but this can be seen as a natural variation since there are no other mechanism to explain it. You have to remind yourself that our instrumental records have a history equivalent to a mayfly in geological terms. Its like waking up each morning and being startled at the sight of the sun rising.

So again, what mechanism are you proposing to explain a causal link between human behaviour and increased precipitation in Europe? Or is this just you appealing to your false gods?


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 Post subject: Re: Flaming June
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Forget the rocketing “hockey stick” of global warming, he urges. Even mild climate warming produces prolonged droughts, and we should expect more of them. There’s already been a 25% increase in droughts globally since 1990. In the next 100 years, we can expect the number of people to be affected by droughts to rise from 3% of the world’s population to 30%.

http://longnow.org/seminars/02007/mar/0 ... te-change/


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