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 Post subject: West Mids police commissoner
PostPosted: 12 Nov 2011, 14:56 
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Mike Olley throws his hat in for Labour, no shock at all

http://www.birminghampost.net/news/west ... um=twitter

so any others from labour and any other party ?

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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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Gives the impression of someone who got on the wrong side of bed one day and decided to throw his hat in the ring. An astonishingly weak opening from Olley.

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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police Commissioner
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I see "He plans to lead his campaign with a pledge to tackle the growing problem of scrap metal thieves."

Which I find rather amusing as I have just received an email from my MP Roger Godsiff via hearfromyourmp.com which I quote below

Although Roger says that it should not just be left to the police (Or Police Commissioner)

I wonder who is copying who ?

Metal Theft

Roger Godsiff says metal thefts are “sickening and dangerous
attacks.”

Birmingham Hall Green MP, Roger Godsiff MP is calling on the
Home Office to take urgent action to tackle metal theft:

"Metal theft is becoming an epidemic, and urgent action is
needed from the Home Office to put a stop to these sickening
and dangerous attacks. The Government should back the police in
their fight against metal theft by pledging to change the law
to make it easier to stop this organised crime.

"The vandalising and theft of war memorials is shocking and
disgraceful, undermining the respect that all our communities
want to show to fallen heroes.

“In addition households face repeated power cuts, commuters
face increasing delays, churches and public buildings are being
damaged, all as a result of escalating metal theft. In my own
constituency, four churches have had lead or copper taken at
least twice. "This out of touch Government needs to get a grip
and crack down on this crime. It is still too easy to trade
stolen metal. We need a much tougher licensing regime for scrap
metal dealers, including requiring people selling to metal
dealers to prove their identity, and stronger powers for the
police to investigate. We need to support legitimate trade but
make it easier to stop organised crime.

“When cases are becoming this serious, the Home Office
shouldn't turn a blind eye or just leave it to the police. We
need action and we need it now.”


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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A guy who manages Broad St... not the most obvious person to supervise policing. Much as Broad St has improved over the years, it is nonetheless something of a crime hotspot.

As for scrap metal, the other day electrcity cables were stolen on the Norwich-London line causing significant delays. Given that there is an entire force dedicated to policing the railways, I can't help feeling that what's needed is not more police powers, but for them to actually police their jurisdiction and identify the culprits.


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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all along the thousands of miles along railways, impossible

It is a simple solution, block the cash sales at the scrap yards, once demand goes then no one will nick them

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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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Cable theft is probably one of the major security problems on the railways. Tell the chief constable that he must reduce cable theft by 50% in the next year. If he does he gets a bonus and a further target to reduce cable theft. If he fails he is sacked and someone else hired on the same terms. Continue hiring and sacking chief constables until you find someone capable.


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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Stealing metal has been going on for years especially when the price goes up.

The criminals then go to Broad Street to spend their bounty maybe Mike Olley knows some of them.

I was at a service many decades ago in a local church on a Sunday when some dim thieves decided it
was a good time to steal lead from the roof, needles to say they was caught red handed.

I was once told a story that someone who put on some workers overalls and armed with a screwdriver
went around the City of London in broad daylight removing brass name plates from outside offices.

He apparently made a fortune due to the then high price of brass at the time and was never caught.

The answer to metal thefts is Smat Water and its about time that BCC and others used it more.

SEE ALSO Metal thieves target Perry Common Library roof for second time


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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Man taken to Birmingham's City Hospital after explosion at Oldbury power substation

P.S A man is fighting for his life in hospital with severe burns believed to have been sustained as thieves tried to steal metal from an electricity substation.


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 Post subject: Who will run for West Mids police commissioner?
PostPosted: 12 Nov 2011, 18:56 
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Before this becomes the scrap metal thread. :roll:

The other known Labour candidate is Cllr. Bob Jones, from Wolverhampton. His WMP Authority bio:
http://www.west-midlands-pa.gov.uk/member_BJones.asp?comm=1&role=0

There is a little more on his Wolverhampton Council entry, who was elected in 1980:http://wolverhampton.cmis.uk.com/decisionmaking/Councillors/tabid/62/ctl/ViewCMIS_Person/mid/480/id/1783/ScreenMode/Alphabetical/Default.aspx

Some quick research found in 2010:
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Wolverhampton councillor and former chairman of the Association of Police Authorities, Bob Jones received a CBE for services to the police.


Is this history what is needed as the new role of a Commissioner?

Perhaps Tipton Slasher can give his insight?


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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:roll: The last thing we need is some cosy committee man. Sometimes a thread comes along that reminds me why it's important to be involved in politics - it's too dangerous to leave it to the politicians we've already got.

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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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Bob Jones was first appointed to the committee in 1986. That's 25 years ago. So what new has he to offer?


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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Bob Jones was first appointed to the committee in 1986. That's 25 years ago. So what new has he to offer?

WM Police has perfromed pretty well over that period. Bob Jones is very capable and experienced. If we have to have this rightwing American populist idea, he would be a very good choice.

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 Post subject: A possible Conservative candidate?
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Casting around would Solihull Councillor Joe Tildesley stand? He was a WMP Inspector till retiring in 2002, serving as the local Police Federation's Chairman at the end and stood in 2005 for Parliament for B'ham Selly Oak.

His council bio:http://www.solihull.gov.uk/akssolihull/users/public/admin/main.pl?keyid=101&op=MemberDetails

There are other ex-police officers who became councillors or stood for Parliament, for example Lesley Leek in Walsall.


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 Post subject: Tories advertise for police commissioner candidates
PostPosted: 21 Nov 2011, 18:42 
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A Conservative-linked blogsite today carries a story 'Wanted: Candidates for Police Commissioner'
and opens with with:
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Any doubts as to how seriously the Conservatives will be taking the elections in a year's time for Police Commissioners have been thoroughly dispelled this morning. CCHQ have launched a new section of their website stressing the importance of the election and providing an opportunity for those interested in standing to submit their details.


From:http://conservativehome.blogs.com/localgovernment/2011/11/wanted-candidates-for-police-commissioner.html

This is the link on the Conservative party website:http://www.conservatives.com/Get_involved/Police%20and%20Crime%20Commissioner%20Elections.aspx


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 Post subject: One candidate for commissioner
PostPosted: 25 Nov 2011, 17:15 
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Mick Olley. one of the two declared Labour candidates, has his own website up:http://www.mikeolley.co.uk/

He has also produced a short booklet 'The Role of Police and Crime Commissioners and Policing into the 21st Century: a single vision', which in the preface has:
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This pamphlet is produced to inform a single vision of how Labour can seize the high ground and make the office of PCC work for Labour, the electorate and region.


Slightly puzzled at 'work for Labour' being there, but the election appears to be ssen only as a party political contest. One wonders how his final conclusion will sit with possible conflict for him with the Labour Party:
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Above all else the Commissioner must want to serve in the public interest as determined by the public interest.


The public interest in my view is not synonmous with the Labour Party's interest.

Clearly some in the B'ham Labour Party are not too enchanted with his candidacy. Why he would then make a remark similar to strikes me as odd:
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The councillors who are on police authorities are hardly high-fliers...


Nor is his suggestion that extra money will be found from the merging of two national police bodies, SOCA & NPIA, with the UK Border Agency into a National Crime Agency, credible.


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
PostPosted: 25 Nov 2011, 17:40 
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Iron Angle: Mike Olley gets serious in bid to be police commissioner

Great Minds think the same !


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 Post subject: No a smooth process for Bob
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At a recent constituency Labour Party meeting prospective candidate Cllr. Bob Jones faced a critical audience, asking what had he personally done on the Police Authority since 1986 and his answer was not persuasive.

He too has a website, but I've been unable to identify that via a Google search. A search that found he has consistently spoken against the establishment of the post.


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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Can anyone confirm that Birmingham Liberal Democrat Councillor Ayoub Khan has announced that he will be standing for nomination from his party to be their candidate for elected Police and Crime Commisioner.

Some one told me it was reported in the Birmingham Post, but I ain't paying a quid to find out what contributors can provide for free.


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 Post subject: West Mids police commissoner
PostPosted: 20 Jan 2012, 11:57 
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Yes there was a full article in this week's B'ham Post, on pg.8, with Cllr. Ayoub Khan making it clear he was standing. For reasons I don't understand neither the Post nor Google find the item.

Michael Crick, ex-BBC, now C4, on his blog article on all the candidates in England & Wales refers to him as the Lib-Dem candidate, Joe Tildesley as the Conservative, both Mike Olley and Bob Jones for Labour. Maybe Yvonne Mosquito too. See:http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/police-commissioners-the-runners-and-riders/624

There is a new section on the Home Office website for PCC:http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/police-crime-commissioners/

Curiously one of the documents includes:
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You cannot stand for election as a PCC if:
• you are a ..... member of a police authority


That might explain why Cllr. Bob Jones is in a fix over standing, obviously he can resign if selected by the Labour Party in May and campaign up to the election in November.


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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Birmingham Post : Controversial councillor Ayoub Khan wants to be police commissioner


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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I can assure readers that Councillor Bod Jones has not got a hope in that place which is opposite to the meaning of heaven, from becoming the Labour Party candidate for elected PCC.

The man is a bag of wind at police authority meetings and given how at the last meeting his amendment to a an amendment of an amendment etc. was resoundly rejected by the majority of authority members indicates that they do not follow what he suggests.

He has been part of the problem of police authorities, which has culminated in the decision to have PCCs if he had been any good then why would there be a need to replace the authority.

He has been on this authority, nice little money earner, for too long.
He would not in my opinion appeal to the 2.8 million constituents of the authority area and I feel he does not have the numbers in the Labour party to support his bid.

In my view he has not been voiciferoous enough over issues such as the authority allowing the resignation of a senior employee involved in the obtaining of £200 in unauthorised expenses as reported in the media. If you or I stole £200 quid we would be arrested, charged and prosecuted.

In my opinion Councillor Jones is too weak to be our PCC, we need a strong and capable person to assist the Chief in effective policing of our area and to hold the Chief to account on behalf of residents.


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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Bob Jones IS the man for the Job !!!


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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Bunnyson, is quite right, if you look at the Home Office guidance, a member of the Police Authority, cannot stand for election, so is Councillor Jones going to resign from the authority.

Will all those members of the Police Authority that were so opposed to having an elected PCC, now give in their notice and leave the authority, or will they just carry on taking the money?

Councillor Bob Jones has been part of the government's percieved problems with Police Authorities as he has been a member for many years, if there was nothing wrong with how police authorities operate, why would they be altering them?

Councillor Jones is not the man for the job, which might go to a woman if we are lucky in the West Midlands.

Councillor Jones should use his remaining time in office to hold the Chief Constable to account, not use it to seek the Labour nomination.


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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the job, which might go to a woman if we are lucky in the West Midlands.

Why would we be lucky ?


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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Women tend to more focused on the task and less prone to adopt the male antics of refusing to acknowledge when they are wrong and thus following a course of action based on the wrong information.

As far as I know we do not have a possible female candidate for the post as yet.


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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gerry wrote:
Women tend to more focused on the task and less prone to adopt the male antics of refusing to acknowledge when they are wrong and thus following a course of action based on the wrong information


You must be Joking !!!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
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Tiptonslasher, I am reassured that although your name fills me with panic and fear, that you are no doubt in touch with your feminine side.

But I ask who will be filling the position of DEPUTY POLICE COMMISSIONER?


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I can assure readers that Councillor Bob Jones has not got a hope in that place which is opposite to the meaning of heaven, from becoming the Labour Party candidate for elected PCC.

The man is a bag of wind at police authority meetings and given how at the last meeting his amendment to a an amendment of an amendment etc. was resoundly rejected by the majority of authority members indicates that they do not follow what he suggests.

He has been part of the problem of police authorities, which has culminated in the decision to have PCCs if he had been any good then why would there be a need to replace the authority.

How do I explain utterly cynical politics to you, Gerry? There is no case for changing the system because of performance. Crime has been falling steadily in this country for fifteen years or so until this year. The reliable figures are those of the British Crime Survey since actual offences figures are affected so much by changes of police policy. "The decision to have PCCs" is a purely political one made by David Cameron and his advisers.

Cameron is a supremely cynical political operator and this policy, like its parallel of foisting 'elected mayors' on big cities, is purely party political. He and his advisers know the example of the US, where naturally left voting urban areas can be attracted by right-wing populist candidates. Schwarznegger as Governor of California and Bloomberg in NY are obvious examples. They have noticed how similar figures have won mayoral elections in naturally Labour areas here: Robocop in Middlesbrough and the 'English Nationalist' Peter Davies (father of the very right-wing Tory MP Philip Davies) in Doncaster. So they are going to institute the system here. What they hope for is a right-wing populist figure to stand and win police commissioner jobs and also 'elected mayors' in urban areas. They will settle for a very rightwing Labour win (Mike Olley here) because that suits their ideology. They will like a Carl Chinn or a Digby Jones becoming a mayor. In each case it will help the Tory party or the rightwing individulaist tough-on-crime ideology which they have made their own. The odd rule preventing present memebrs of authorities from standing - a spiteful and stupid rule denying people with experience the right to stand, and which might fall on legal challenge - is just a little nudge towards the position they are manouevering people into.

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He has been on this authority, nice little money earner, for too long.
He would not in my opinion appeal to the 2.8 million constituents of the authority area and I feel he does not have the numbers in the Labour party to support his bid.

In my view he has not been voiciferoous enough over issues such as the authority allowing the resignation of a senior employee involved in the obtaining of £200 in unauthorised expenses as reported in the media. If you or I stole £200 quid we would be arrested, charged and prosecuted.

In my opinion Councillor Jones is too weak to be our PCC, we need a strong and capable person to assist the Chief in effective policing of our area and to hold the Chief to account on behalf of residents.

Of the present candidates who are interested in the Labour nomination, I would certainly support Bob Jones. He is experienced and has a good track record. During his period as chair, police performance was very good. (Bob and I have clashed in the past on other things so I've no personal reason for saying this.) The puzzle Gerry is your personal antagonism, expressed more than once, to Bob.

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 Post subject: Re: West Mids police commissoner
PostPosted: 25 Jan 2012, 17:01 
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Andy, I whole heartedly agree with you.

You must be worried !


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 Post subject: Police Commissioner
PostPosted: 25 Jan 2012, 23:35 
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An interesting comment by Professor Robert Reiner on policing and the arrival of PCC:http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/anita-dockley/police-%E2%80%94%C2%A0peacekeepers-or-law-enforcers

Re PCC:
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Professor Reiner argues that electing police commissioners does not guarantee democratic policing, pointing out several possible dangers to bear in mind:

• Tyrannies of the majority (oppression of unpopular ‘police property’ groups);

• Trammelling of due process: failing to respect legal and civil rights;

• Democracy becoming plutocracy, government of the rich, by the rich, for the rich; the ‘finest government money can buy’ in the words of American journalist Greg Palast;

• Unequal access to knowledge about policing and media power, frustrating evidence-based policy development.


The professor is a Labour Party adviser.


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