Re~Stirred Forum

I once had a great admiration for the Liberals and their desire for freedom for the individual and their sense of community and yes their dress sense, men in old tweed jackets with leather elbow patches and corduroy trousers, women in Laura Ashley dresses and sensible footwear.

Then those disaffected Labour entities and their Social and Democrat party contagion brought their denim jeans and expanded waistlines but also a hope of political change and new ways and ideas, alas the Liberal Democrats became a party of callous, power hungry non entities in their leadership ranks, which as we are aware now, have no regard for the needs of the majority of Britain's people.

At one time you could have a decent conversation with a political Lib Dem but now they believe all the information that their masters the Conservatives have put into their political psyche and it is like talking to a brick wall.

Why did the Lib Dems betray us for a small bit of what will be short lived power?
Have they no longer amongst their ranks any political strategists that can tell them what the consequences of their present political path will lead them to?

Those Lib Dems that still have a heart and care have limited options, to continue within their party and fight the likes of Clegg and Cable, to strive for political integrity and break the coalition agreement, that is costing them so much or to leave and join the party of political honour the Labour Party, a party that cares for the vulnerable and fights for justice for all.

Lib Dems, please listen before it is too late, your actions will ineviatbly lead to the destruction of your party at the polls locally and nationally, 7% in one opinion poll must be a sign.

Take back your party or join Labour before it is too late?

If a country goes bust it cannot look after the more vulnerable citizens.

The UK isn't "bust" though John. That's just another "untruth" isn't it...

Is that the Liberal Democrat answer? John Hemming you are a far greater intellect than I and a much more sophisticated political exponent and if rumour has it a Multi Millionaire, I being of the economic level where I can just about afford an off peak buss pass, so could you tell me what percentage of the country's wealth is owned by the wealthiest 10% of the population?

The government you are part of is paying Billions for nuclear weapons, billions for aircraft carriers, 39 billion to the IMF, if this country is going bankrupt it is your fault as a member of the government.

Come to Labour and work with them for the benefit of Yardley Constituency or will you step down at the next election to spend more time calculating your wealth, how long does it take to count up to a million?

The point is that unless you bring the deficit under control then the country can go bust. We may see such an experiment in France in the near future.

It's always a delight to see the "year zero" concept rearing its head amongst the left (though I thought gerry had claimed that he had defected to the Lib Dems). Of course the country was in a perfect state in May 2010! How could we all be so foolish as to not recognise this? Of course the deficit and government debt were all under control in May 2010. How wrong of us to think otherwise.

Words really do fail me!! After the electoral vote-rigging of 2004, it amazes me that anyone could describe Labour locally in those terms. Or perhaps there are some who believe that the end justifies the means? We all know (or should do) where that can easily end up.

A soverign country able to create it's own money simply can not go bust we all know that John so stop peddling that line.

France and the rest of the EZ can in theory, so thank god Brown and Balls stopped Blair eh ?

John was you pro Euro like the rest of your boys ?

But you're not though John, this deficit reduction plan keeps getting pushed into the future...

Fergus, Labour are not in power and if it is the Conservative view to go on and on about a pre 2010 labour rather than helping our vulnerable people and protecting them, rather than protecting the bankers and reducing headline tax rates for millionaires like John Hemming, then you should as a member of the political party that rules this country reflect within yourself.

As for any criminal action in relation to voting, I have said before that I think the penalties should be severe.

Because a Conservative supporter is convicted of rape, does not mean that any conservative supports rape.

Should we go back to the days of the rotten boroughs so well beloved of the rich landed gentry?

Who is the Conservative MP that has just criticised the, "arrogant posh boys", is she wrong Fergus, no she can't be she is a Conservative.

Well, thank goodness!

You mean just like Labour manged to do for almost all their 13 years in power? We are where we are because we were where we were under the Labour government up to May 2010. Yours is still a "year zero" approach. Your party left a mess, and your argument appears to be that, because the present government hasn't already sorted it all out, it's all their fault. Nice!

Fergus, do you love this country? I do, do you love this Great City?, I do, so if your only concern is blame rather than getting on with the job of protecting our people our borders our economy and securing our future, as your party has governed this country for just short of two years, with only three actions of cutting everything, giving over £200 billion to the banking sector in quantatitive easing and £39 billion in loans for other countries, including the Euro Zone.

I do not care about your childish attitude of the playground with, please miss they started it, nor do I have a concern about the "arrogant posh boys", view of members of your own party, what I look forward to is members of any political party helping to make Briatain Great again and helping the disadvantaged and suffering people that I come across in increasing numbers.

I would give up my life for my country, you no doubt are more concerned with stuffing another pasty down your gob. ( apology to the ladies that might read this, for my language.).

Well, gerry, if you choose to plummet into the gutter, don't expect me to follow. You (in this particular thread) started the blame game, so it's a little rich for you to then try to claim the moral high ground. Rich, but not unexpected from a Labour supporter.

You are correct in one respect, though - my party has, indeed, co-governed this country for just two short years, after 13 years of Labour government. Clearly, and contradictorily (?!), you seem to feel that that short period is long enough for you to start blaming the economic troubles of this country solely on the current government. Of course, if you do not know where you started from, you will never know where you are going. That sums up your arguments, as far as I'm concerned.

BTW - any evidence for my eating (or not) pasties? Indeed, any evidence for my (implied) poshness?

I won't dignify your opening comments with a response, they are that contemptible.

Fergus I will leave the description of your good self to your Liberal Democrat colleagues.

Gerry I do not understand you are you helping white van man with his leaflets or are you labour??

Oh Please!! Get real as the yanks say!! ALL politicians are cushioned from the real world and have no idea what its like to struggle to pay bills and buy food!! Especially now when the condems are squeezing the poor to pay for the rich.

The lefties have never been happier Fergus. It's been dazzling how easily they have slipped back into their happy pre-Blair world of limitless public spending (good). Explaining that that has to be paid for (bad/evil). More taxes (good). Working hard and standing on your own two feet (bad/selfish).

As for the party of 'political honour' I say only two words: Iraq. Kosovo.

We ought to applaud this however. Mr Blair used to win elections for them. Mr Foot and Mr Kinnock never did. 'Year Zero' is a place which will return a tory government.

And I just LOVE the way in which spending other people's money = "having a heart".

Those hilarious Unison posters are a beautiful example of the genre: take crying baby/old lady and add strap line about how this all due to those horrid cuts. If one simply spends more of other people's money, baby will stop crying and old lady will cheer up. Simples (as they say).

Glynis - I've been made redundant and suffered unemployment. I've lived for a week on under a tenner for food.

My father lost his job twice, the first time leading to us moving the length of England (pretty much) when he found new employment.

Don't jump to conclusions so easily.

Well with that background whatever made you into a Tory.

Why would it have made me a socialist? When my father lost his job the first time, he went and looked for work. He did not rely on someone else to find it for him. He had the initiative to look beyond just the local area, and both my parents had the self-belief to make a decision to move hundreds of miles, which included my mother leaving her own job and having to find another.

My own experience has led me to prefer doing something, however little income it generates, rather than doing nothing.

Yes he got on his proverbial bike as indicated by the that lovely Mr Tebbit.
As to your last sentence: That does not sound much like a philosophy many Tories would go along with...

Hilarious they may seem to you but for the electorate they're very effective. It's a great pity the right in Britain never does anything similar.

Well, you used that phrase, not me - he took the initiative, and perhaps you should remind yourself of what Norman Tebbit actually said, rather than relying on lazy misquotations. The bike wasn't proverbial, it was very real.

As to your last sentence - what on earth are you on about? That is a very Conservative philosophy, though I suppose you're probably just attempting to make a cheap shot.

I think it can be summed up for both Gareth, Fergus and the Lib Dems, by the Public Administration Committee's comments about this government.

A lack of strategic thinking is leading to a "patch and mend" approach to policy making and an absence of national strategy was leading to "mistakes" such as those following the budget.

Aims set out in the coalition agreement were to meaningless to serve any useful purpose.

With a government of posh boys, like this we are all doomed?

Forgot to mention, maybe they do have a heart, well the ones that appeared to be following me in the streets of the East of the city last night.

Why they should be so interested in my good self and the six young Asian ladies that were undertaking campaigning leaves me at a bit of a loss.

I am sure they have good intentions, but gentleman maybe your actions might possibly be interpreted as a bit threatening, speeding up and slowing down your cars as you approach.

You really don't have to scratch a socialist very hard before you find a good dose of class hatred/envy.

Just think about your comment for a monent Gerry. Is it really your case that people ought to be excluded from the governance of our country because of their background?

Just a quickie, John - from where are we borrowing the -£10 billion to lend to the IMF?

It is a re-allocation of foreign currency reserves the total of which is about $100bn for the UK.

Gareth, just Hemming, Clegg, Cable, Cameron and Fergus.

Interesting that you think I intend to run the country some day. With that much faith in me, maybe I should recruit you as my campaign manager? On the other hand, maybe not?